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Alex J
Asked: 2009-05-30 02:03:16 +0800 CST

When would ssh -t not be appropriate instead of ssh?

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Using ssh -t instead of ssh for connections to remote servers has several advantages. For example, I can directly edit a file with vim: ssh -t host vim foo.txt, which would fail otherwise.

Are there any circumstances under which allocating a (pseudo)-tty would be a bad thing when using ssh?

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  1. Best Answer

    When piping the input or getting the input back, which is the typical use of "ssh host command". Control characters could be interpreted by the TTY layer (^S for ex.)

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  2. Yes, sometimes you want to make a silent, backgrounded connection, for example when setting up a tunnel (e.g. SOCKS proxy). In such examples, you want the process to NOT have a tty.

    Here's an example of setting up port forwarding from localhost to some remote host...

    ssh -l username -fNTL 8073:server:873

    After this has been set up, you can then rsync to localhost, instead of to the remote host, hence effectively, tunneling your rsync via ssh...

    rsync --port=8073 -a me@localhost::myStuff /tmp/myStuff/

    You'd do this say if rsync going out to server was blocked, but ssh wasn't.

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  3. In addition to the above...

    (1) Different tilda escape handling:

    The "~." escape will disconnect you if you have a pty (-t). For a long-running command, you might want to prevent someone from accidentally halting the process if they type ~.

    $ ssh hostname.tomontime.com -t sleep 60
    [type ~. and it disconnects]
    Connection to hostname.tomontime.com closed.

    $ ssh hostname -T sleep 60
    [I type ~. and it treats it like normal keystrokes, which the sleep command ignores.]
    ~.
    ~.

    Try the same thing with CTRL-C. You'll see that with -t you are sending the CTRL-C to the "sleep". With -T you are sending the CTRL-C to the ssh program running on your machine. There may be times when this makes a difference (i.e. the program handles INT differently than HUP)

    (2) You just want to minimize the pty or network connection activity.

    When trying to reboot a machine that is out of ptys you don't want to encourage the system to try to allocate a pty! This also minimize the network connections that will have to be closed (delaying the reboot).

    This will work faster and more reliably:
    ssh -T hostname reboot

    This may have problems:
    ssh -t hostname reboot

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  4. ssh -t creates a pseudo terminal on the remote machine. This is useful if you are chaining ssh commands thru multiple servers and want a real terminal on the far side (so you could use 'vi' for example).

    You might NOT want '-t' when login scripts behave differently if there is a terminal. This is bad practice IMHO, but I've seen cases where a login script checks for TTY before 1) setting the prompt, and 2) expanding the path to many interactive applications.

    In another instance (mentioned by TomOnTime above), I actually have run into cases where all the TTY (ptys) are used up. Obviously a mis-configuration, but no need to chew up a resource for a bunch of tunnels and rsyncs.

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