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Geoff Dalgas
Asked: 2009-09-28 21:12:27 +0800 CST

Recommended DNS SOA record TTL default?

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We currently have our DNS SOA record set to the following for stackoverflow.com:

    primary name server = ns1.p19.dynect.net
    serial  = 2009090909
    refresh = 3600 (1 hour)
    retry   = 600 (10 mins)
    expire  = 604800 (7 days)
    default TTL = 60 (1 min)

Are there better choices for our refresh / retry / expire / default TTL for a site like stackoverflow.com which receives close to 1M pageviews per day?

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3 Answers

  1. Best Answer

    The actual traffic rate to the site is irrelevant.

    All of those settings (except for "default TTL") only affect how frequently your domain's secondary DNS servers poll the primary DNS server for updates.

    If your zone only changes infrequently (which I believe yours does) then your value for "refresh" is currently a bit on the low side. Typically the primary should send a NOTIFY message to each of the secondaries whenever there's an update at which point the secondaries grab the zone file immediately. These days the "refresh / retry / expire" mechanism is only a backstop to that.

    In any event, it's likely that your DNS provider is automatically syncing changes to all of the relevant DNS servers on the fly without using DNS's built-in synchronisation mechanisms so the actual values are probably irrelevant.

    Note that the "default TTL" field no longer means what it says. The real default TTL is set (in BIND at least) with the $TTL directive, and that's only used when there isn't an explicit TTL set on each record.

    The "default TTL" field's meaning was changed in RFC 2308 and it's actually a hint for negative caching. If your server returns a negative response (e.g. NXDOMAIN or NODATA) it's how long the remote server should wait before trying again.

    The current value is a bit on the low side, but there's no harm leaving it as is. It's often ignored anyway.

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  2. Interestingly, the DNS diagnostic page from the dyn guys (our DNS hosts)..

    http://dnscog.com/report/stackoverflow.com

    .. says this on MINTTL:

    Check SOA MINTTL

    Your SOA minttl value is 60 seconds, which is lower than the recommended minimum for general DNS use. If you regularly make changes to your DNS zone, or use DNS-based load balancing services, a small value here is OK.

    Recommendation

    Consider putting value between 1800 and 86400 to your SOA minttl field.

    and this on SOA refresh

    Check SOA refresh

    Your SOA refresh field is 3600 seconds, which is lower than the recommended minimum. Having a low refresh value can result in unnecessary query volume or unexpected behavior, especially if you use a value of 0. If you regularly make changes to your DNS zone, or use DNS-based load balancing services, a smaller value will help to ensure changes propagate as quickly as possible.

    Recommendation

    Consider putting value between 7200 and 10800 to your SOA refresh field.

    Another diagnostic page at http://www.intodns.com/stackoverflow.com doesn't offer any real hints.

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  3. From Pingdom: http://dnscheck.pingdom.com/

    SOA TTL  recommended >= 3600.
SOA refresh  recommended >= 14400.
SOA retry  recommended >= 3600.
SOA expire  recommended >= 604800.
SOA minimum  recommended between 300 and 86400.
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