I have this settings:
<IfModule mpm_prefork_module>
StartServers 5
MinSpareServers 5
MaxSpareServers 10
ServerLimit 1250
MaxClients 1250
MaxRequestsPerChild 1500
</IfModule>
Is possibile that with a 5-10 settings for Min/Max Servers when i do top, there are tons of apache 2 processs??
Shouldn't they be only between 5-10? Just look at the 260 process sleeping O_O (d*mn apache)
Click http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3285/senzatitolo1iw.jpg
Edit1:
After 30min of up here a screen of top:
Click: http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/1645/immagineov.png
After 24hours of UP (top orderer for MEM usage)
Thanks for any explanation
(debian 6, lamp, 4gb ram)
I gave you the answer to this in the comments over on Server not responding to SSH and HTTP but ping works, but apparently you don't believe me. Really, it's true!
You need to size
MaxClients
/ServerLimit
to your system. The "5-10 settings for Min/Max Servers" which you mention are basically irrelevant — that's just the number of extra servers hanging around not doing anything that Apache will retain.In order to set MaxClients appropriately, look at the typical high-water mark for your
httpd
(orapache2
) processes, and then divide your available memory by that. Best to drop down by a little bit to give the rest of the system room to breathe. Since you've got 4GB of RAM, and 185MB processes, that means yourServerLimit
value should be 21 at most — probably 20 or 19.Now, it may be that 190MB is atypical. You can set the ServerLimit higher, based on a different estimate of typical usage, but then you're basically gambling that you'll never have a spike. If it does happen, your system will be out of memory.
If you can find a way to constrain your per-worker memory usage, that's gonna be a win. I'm betting this is a case of PHP Ate My RAM. Can you code your app to live within a lower
memory_limit
? If you can't do that, you need a different model under which to run your PHP. If you can't do that, you need to buy more RAM.Apache's prefork MPM self-manages servers. It will always start with
StartServers
daemons, and will never run fewer thanMinSpareServers
once it gets going. It will also eventually retire/kill off servers in excess ofMaxSpareServers
if they're idle long enough (I don't recall what "Long Enough" is in this context, nor if/how it can be modified).ServerLimit
sets the maximum number of apache daemons that can be running at any given time -- This is why in your situation you can have hundreds of sleeping apache processes (they got spawned to service a flood of requests and haven't been idle long enough to be killed by the mother process yet).Personally I think 1250 is a pretty high value for
ServerLimit
/MaxClients
-- 250 may be a more reasonable number (though this may result in the occasional 503/Server Busy error if you get a massive flood of requests: if that becomes a chronic issue you can increase the number or add more servers to handle the load).Relating this question to your previous one Re: an out-of-memory crash, definitely follow the guidance from the Apache Manual on this parameter:
…and my personal axiom:
It's better to give a client a 503 page than knock the server down
. :)Turn off Keepalives and set MaxClients to 150. The most likely reason you have 260 processes just sitting there is because Apache is dutifully holding browser connections open because KeepAlive on is set in you apache config file.
In my experience it is worth the effort to tune
KeepAliveTimeout
after properly setting other parameters regarding number of processes. I say tune which means you should change the parameter slightly and measure the server responsiveness. Among our sites, one performs best withKeepAliveTimeout=3
yet another withKeepAliveTimeout=1
. None of these are happy withKeepAlive
turned off. This additional tuning saves you from buying/allocating extra RAM too early.Tuning is easy because the change is effective immediately after graceful restart:
sudo apache2ctl -k graceful
(I'm reviving an old thread because Google still deems it relevant... ;) )
Calculate how many servers you can have running within the constrains of your system's RAM by running this command:
If will produce output like:
Now stop apache and find out how much RAM you have available without it by using
free
:(above is in kilobytes.
free -m
would show you megabytes.)Linux will fill available memory with buffers and cache, so adding free+buffers+cache (213604+333428+5341884) yields 5888916 Kbytes available.
588916K available / 55474K per apache process = 106 servers. But set it lower than that to leave some breathing room.