I have a domain, call it DOMAIN.NET
, which is an Internet service provider. DOMAIN.NET
has Glue Records that I put in via the existing registrar, which enable the client domains like FOO.COM
, BAR.COM
, BAZ.COM
, etc. to use NS1.DOMAIN.NET
and NS2.DOMAIN.NET
as their DNS servers. For anyone who doesn't know, Glue Records are essential for the functionality of NS1, NS2, etc., not going to explain it here, but these explain it
I want to transfer DOMAIN.NET
to another registrar. But, do the Glue Records get transferred? My guess is no, because I would think registrars all send and manage Glue Records themselves, and send the Glue IPs directly to the Internet root servers for .Net, so how would the new registrar know about it during a domain transfer?
I need to know before I transfer, because if the Glue records disappear, all my client domains that have NS1.DOMAIN.NET
and NS2.DOMAIN.NET
as their dns servers will likely start failing for a period of time until I get the Glue records re-added.
Is there a magical way to transfer Glue Records to the new registrar when transferring a domain?
EDIT Jan 2, 2013 I am happy to report that the Glue Records did get transferred with my domain. Before transferring my live domain, I transferred a "test" domain which had Glue Records. Transferred from Network Solutions into Godaddy. After transfer, when I query the root servers, it still shows my glue records are there. When I look at the Godaddy Domain Control Panel, the domain shows all the Glue Records under "Host Summary", meaning they did transfer into the new registrar with the domain. For others resting this, I would be safer to use a different DNS during the transfer of that domain, just in case the Glue Records were lost to avoid loops.
I imagine others may be in similar positions as me at some point, and I hope this is very useful information, since I couldn't find the answer anywhere.
It depends on the registrar and on who's providing the DNS servers for
DOMAIN.NET
In your example
.NET
is the top-level domain. Omitting some details, when a computer on the Internet is trying to get to a computer inDOMAIN.NET
.COM .ORG .CA
and so on), so it goes to one of those and asks for the address of the nameservers forDOMAIN.NET
.NET
know the IP addresses of the nameservers forDOMAIN.NET
(those are the glue records)DOMAIN.NET
know the IP addresses of computers within your domainIn principle, if you are running your own DNS servers and simply change registrars, the glue records don't change and you could probably switch by doing nothing.
The way your question is worded, it sounds like the registrar is also providing the DNS servers for your domain, in which case the glue records don't need to be transferred, they need to be changed, and that's not going to happen automatically.
If you're relying on your registrar's name servers, you need to talk to the new registrar and find out when they'll change the glue records after you transfer the domain to them. Then you need to talk to the old registrar and make sure they continue to provide services (with the old glue records) until the change takes place.
Yes, glue records are transferred.
For the following reasons:
example.com
and havens1.example.com
be authoritative on it, a registrar will need to follow this list of steps: 1) createexample.com
without nameservers attached to it, 2) create host objectns1.example.com
- as only he can do it by being the sponsor of the underlying domain and 3) associatens1.example.com
toexample.com
domainThis is summarily outlined as such in RFC 5732 §3.2.4:
And also in RFC 5731 §3.2.4:
About this:
This is either wrong or misworded, the above should clear things out.
Registrars send commands to registries and registry publish data on their authoritative nameservers. First, here there is nothing about "root servers". Root servers are the authoritative nameservers for root (!) aka
.
and they basically just have the list of all TLDs; whatever you do with your second level domain likeexample.net
has 0 consequences on root servers, so you were probably thinking about registry (of .net) authoritative nameservers.Second, as described above, glues are really host objects in the registry database. As any other objects there, they can be queried and updated by registrars, under some conditions.
Third, the registrar can both know all "subordinate" nameservers existing under a specific domain name, through the appropriate EPP
domain:info
command. If output is restricted by registry it does not matter, because as explained above, the host objects will be transfered by the registry implicitely if the underlying (superordinate) domain is transfered. As such the glues continue to be published at all times, and the host objects will be sponsored at the end by the new registrar, which will then be able to update them or delete them, as needed.